“By teaching that all their struggles can be blamed on men, society, or "the patriarchy"—rather than their own choices—it prevents them from maturing, keeping them locked in perpetual victimhood and self-righteous rage.”
I found this concept particularly insightful. Thank you for sharing.
I think the mistake is made when we teach that women are less aggressive, the bully tactics are the same across the board because it’s just female type aggression.
Thank you. For what it's worth, I once had a crap job registering patients at a hospital. My off-the-cuff observation was that 80% of them were total b*tches, another 15% were reasonably pleasant and competent, and only 5% were both pleasant and competent. The 80% of them that were b*tches were also feminists that hated men. As a patient, that has me deeply concerned for my welfare. And, I see female doctors here on Substack that only express concern for women patients.
Recently there was a situation of Muslim nurses making threats re Jewish patients. It was widely recognised as wrong and condemned as such.
Your comment about male hating feminist nurses raises an important issue. If a similar thing was to occur re male patients, it should also be regarded as wrong and condemned as such, but would it be?
Would it be ‘ok’. There are many areas of disparity in community that have men at a disadvantage and should be condemned as such but are effectively not. Higher suicide rates, higher workplace deaths, higher penalties for same offences, educational issues etc…
Thank you, You are 100% correct. I think our best hope is to contact the Congressonial DOGE Caucus (doge@mail.house.gov) and see if the government is funding feminist organizations, then ask them to defund those organizations.
Look for an organisation called Emily’s list. Look at their values. Here such an organisation exists and it’s members get elected as members of a political party without reference to the conflict as a member of Emily’s list.
One of their values is that women and children have the right to safe and secure housing. No mention of men. An act of omission. For example A recent publicly funded housing project requires men of the L+ community to have two references from women of the same community.
Since when did housing cease to be available as a human right based on need? Is this talibanesque? An erasure of men from community life.
Emily’s List is a non-profit. If they don’t have a Form 990, which shows where they get their money, and refuse to provide it, they can be reported to the IRS. You can tell the IRS about them by filling out form 13909 and emailing it to eoclass@irs.gov.
Thank you. I have also heard that Emily’s List also funds breast cancer. I will have to see if they are a non-profit that gets government money, so that they can be reported to DOGE. If they are a non-profit, they can also be reported to the IRS for discriminating against men.
Thank you. I have seen female doctors here on Substack openly show their concern for female patients, and do not mention male patients. I think a man’s best course of action is to stay away from female doctors, until they can be vetted to show as much concern for men as they do for women.
If the specialise in female patients, that might be reasonable. However it would be reasonable to check what comments, if any, they have made in regards men’s health if they also have male patients. If they have made one statement and not the other it’s fair to ask why/why not. Most commentary I imagine should be generic in nature unless referencing specific matters re men’s or women’s health.
Around the time I began having urinary bladder issues, my HMO sent me to the first urologist on the list, a woman. After I got dressed from the exam, I went to her office, where she said, “You have cancer”, then handed me one of those cheesy Kranes Communications booklets that are worthless, then ran out of the room. On her office wall were “women and heart disease” posters. I then asked for a second opinion from a male urologist. He confirmed the diagnosis of bladder cancer, but sat with me for 20 minutes to describe his plan of action. He did day surgery to remove the tumor. On his desk, he had a book about male health issues.
The difference between the male urologist and the female urologist was the difference between night and day. Bladder cancer is supposed to be gender-neutral - both sexes can get it.
I emailed the urology department manager to describe the different approaches between the two urologists. He wrote back saying, “You’re in good hands with Dr. Smith”. No kidding!
Sorry to hear about the cancer. You are correct, it is gender neutral. I wasn’t there and can’t say it was anti male.
In the female doctor’s defence, perhaps she did have limited experience counselling men. Perhaps she had a male family member with the issue and was triggered. They are human too. It is fair and reasonable to notify the department so that support can be provided to the specialists if they need development supporting patients.
While a dr may have a preference or specialisation with male or female patients, they should be able to provide same level of care. All the best with treatment.
I got a lot out of that conversation ladies. Currently in the midst of a massive legal case with cluster B personality disorders x 4! They extremely nasty and as you say we have to work on this from the top down because that’s where legislation starts.
Thank you, Dr Spier and Dr. Gress. Your observations about Jewish women and feminism are right on target. I see women rabbis on various websites post that they are primarily, if not exclusively, concerned with women, but are indifferent to the welfare of men. I would think that their one-sided concern is a violation of their professional ethics as rabbis, but so far, nobody has held them to account for that.
Female rabbis are an oxymoron! I hate that we started entertaining that even in modern orthodoxy! There’s a reason more people flock to the more religious communities, we want to fill the void not fragment further.
Thank you both, I learned a great deal from this, so much of it makes sense. Working in an (overwhelmingly) female profession, I have a much better insight into situations I see on a daily basis.
I’m a social worker/counsellor. About 27 yrs now. I currently work as a men’s DAFV counsellor. First 20 years was spent investigating and assessing Child Protection. 10 yrs in England then 10 in Australia. Never worked anywhere with less than ten female workers to every one male. It’s been emotional 😅
"Women have been long known to be more spiritually and religiously engaged. It is only recently where data shows that that men’s faith is outstripping that of women. But yes, historically, women are more likely to gravitate to faith."
I think this is quite false. Leon Podles and others have shown that the reverse is likely true. The model for faith is more Abraham than Sarah. Only since the late middle ages, often under the influence of the courtly tradition, have women been regarded as "naturally spiritual". Feminized Christianity is a development, not the norm. Today, Eastern Orthodoxy is much more masculine in its appeal than Western, Roman Catholicism. Some outrageous things about female spiritual superiority have been penned by Alice von Hildebrand and Gertrude von Le Fort. It seems to be something that Catholics accept because of an elision by these writers of the person of Mary with EVERY woman and mother. Shakespeare knew better. Regen and Goneril are just as feminine as every other woman. Yes, many women are leaving religion these days. Many men are staying. You wouldn't say that a woman is leaving the Church because she is being less feminine, just less faithful. Nobody gets faith by default; it is hard won.
There is a lot to unpack here. I will make one or two comments only. Re the AB and C clusters. I have an alternative health practice. In which I focus on personality traits that feed disease, and ones that feed health. I have successfully treated A and C types to the point where one could say a cure has been effected. Bs? No. But as you point out a Non Neurotic male partner ameliorates their behaviour and unhappiness quite a bit. I am not sure I have ever seen a fundamental change in any true Bs though. Male or female. The non neurotic male pays a big price too. I am not saying they are incurable. But I can’t help them.
This is such an insightful conversation that I've been keeping it open in a tab on my browser and rereading it every few days. Lots to think about, ladies, thank you for all the insights.
Biblically, humans were made to worship and as we see cross culturally, transhistorically we can worship many vastly different things.
Also, starting with Eves' behavior, wanting to BE a god, women are more easily deceived by demons, satan than men are. The satanists then tell women they are "more spiritual" when in fact, women, generally, are more incompetent when it comes to supernatural warfare ; women need a father or husband or spiritual male head of the house to protect her.
I know the feminists will get offended yet this is what the past 2000 years of scripture of the Holy Bible tells us and created the modern Western world that the left is rapidly destroying. Hate the past 2000 years of progress all you want yet the past 50 of the left destroying the West proves my point.
"When women don’t have an ordered relationship with God, they will find surrogates, they will seek out, however unwittingly, something to fill it."
This quote if facinating to me because I recently investigated the ancient archetype of feminine as 'chaos' and masculine as 'order.' When paired together they create an antifragile relationship.
However, without that oder, you're left with women trying to order themselves and you get the cluster B. Makes me wonder if the cure for the cluster B disorders is... Order?
It all goes back to the Garden - Satan convincing Eve to put herself before God, while also throwing off the headship of Adam. She did not consult her husband until AFTER she had eaten, then she convinced him to rebel also. And where was Adam when Eve was tempted? Absconding his duty to lead and protect his wife. Every evil thing that has beset relations between the sexes goes straight to the heart of this dynamic. The ache and terror of taking headship follows women ruthlessly - but the cure; submitting to God and a husband; is too bitter a pill for a headstrong, ego driven "modern" woman to swallow. Men have also abandoned their God ordained place in marriage, allowing women to take control. Until men and women get the headship thing right - submit to Jesus, follow God's design for marriage - she will be an angry, shrill, insecure and discontent nightmare and he will be a withdrawn, defeated and sullen shadow. I have been there - did my 180° - have the scars to prove it. However, I am now content in a loving, properly oriented marriage, trusting God that my obedience will be rewarded; something few women I know can claim.
Conclusion - same story, different take. The only way out is to kill the ego, submit to Jesus or be left with hell on Earth. The alternative is Satan taking whatever destruction your personal egotistical bent opens him to and then using it to drive you; and everyone around you; to utter desolation and misery.
You and Carrie Gress want women — except YOU of course — should be weak, ignorant cowards. All women but YOU will be sold as domestic slaves to me who can beat us for giving a cross look. Just say you think the Taliban is right ànd then SHUT UP. You think women should be silent doormats so set an example yourself.
So many men loving this misogynistic and silly content. Shame on you mean girls trying to win the favor of men by bashing other women. Just yuck. Seems like it was written by a narcissistic team with some serious level smear campaigns going on. You won’t be winning many younger women over with this old lady head shaking. Sorry but just no.
“By teaching that all their struggles can be blamed on men, society, or "the patriarchy"—rather than their own choices—it prevents them from maturing, keeping them locked in perpetual victimhood and self-righteous rage.”
I found this concept particularly insightful. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you, Paul!
Within the field of nursing, there is a phenomenon known as "Horizontal Violence"
What is interesting is that the methods used by the bullies in nursing are almost identical to the bullying tactics used by school girls.
https://www.marieclaire.com/culture/news/a14211/mean-girls-of-the-er/
I think the mistake is made when we teach that women are less aggressive, the bully tactics are the same across the board because it’s just female type aggression.
Thank you. For what it's worth, I once had a crap job registering patients at a hospital. My off-the-cuff observation was that 80% of them were total b*tches, another 15% were reasonably pleasant and competent, and only 5% were both pleasant and competent. The 80% of them that were b*tches were also feminists that hated men. As a patient, that has me deeply concerned for my welfare. And, I see female doctors here on Substack that only express concern for women patients.
Recently there was a situation of Muslim nurses making threats re Jewish patients. It was widely recognised as wrong and condemned as such.
Your comment about male hating feminist nurses raises an important issue. If a similar thing was to occur re male patients, it should also be regarded as wrong and condemned as such, but would it be?
Would it be ‘ok’. There are many areas of disparity in community that have men at a disadvantage and should be condemned as such but are effectively not. Higher suicide rates, higher workplace deaths, higher penalties for same offences, educational issues etc…
Thank you, You are 100% correct. I think our best hope is to contact the Congressonial DOGE Caucus (doge@mail.house.gov) and see if the government is funding feminist organizations, then ask them to defund those organizations.
Look for an organisation called Emily’s list. Look at their values. Here such an organisation exists and it’s members get elected as members of a political party without reference to the conflict as a member of Emily’s list.
One of their values is that women and children have the right to safe and secure housing. No mention of men. An act of omission. For example A recent publicly funded housing project requires men of the L+ community to have two references from women of the same community.
Since when did housing cease to be available as a human right based on need? Is this talibanesque? An erasure of men from community life.
Emily’s List is a non-profit. If they don’t have a Form 990, which shows where they get their money, and refuse to provide it, they can be reported to the IRS. You can tell the IRS about them by filling out form 13909 and emailing it to eoclass@irs.gov.
I’m not in country.
Thank you. I have also heard that Emily’s List also funds breast cancer. I will have to see if they are a non-profit that gets government money, so that they can be reported to DOGE. If they are a non-profit, they can also be reported to the IRS for discriminating against men.
Thank you. I have seen female doctors here on Substack openly show their concern for female patients, and do not mention male patients. I think a man’s best course of action is to stay away from female doctors, until they can be vetted to show as much concern for men as they do for women.
If the specialise in female patients, that might be reasonable. However it would be reasonable to check what comments, if any, they have made in regards men’s health if they also have male patients. If they have made one statement and not the other it’s fair to ask why/why not. Most commentary I imagine should be generic in nature unless referencing specific matters re men’s or women’s health.
Around the time I began having urinary bladder issues, my HMO sent me to the first urologist on the list, a woman. After I got dressed from the exam, I went to her office, where she said, “You have cancer”, then handed me one of those cheesy Kranes Communications booklets that are worthless, then ran out of the room. On her office wall were “women and heart disease” posters. I then asked for a second opinion from a male urologist. He confirmed the diagnosis of bladder cancer, but sat with me for 20 minutes to describe his plan of action. He did day surgery to remove the tumor. On his desk, he had a book about male health issues.
The difference between the male urologist and the female urologist was the difference between night and day. Bladder cancer is supposed to be gender-neutral - both sexes can get it.
I emailed the urology department manager to describe the different approaches between the two urologists. He wrote back saying, “You’re in good hands with Dr. Smith”. No kidding!
Sorry to hear about the cancer. You are correct, it is gender neutral. I wasn’t there and can’t say it was anti male.
In the female doctor’s defence, perhaps she did have limited experience counselling men. Perhaps she had a male family member with the issue and was triggered. They are human too. It is fair and reasonable to notify the department so that support can be provided to the specialists if they need development supporting patients.
While a dr may have a preference or specialisation with male or female patients, they should be able to provide same level of care. All the best with treatment.
The article was published in 2015. I wonder if the situation has become better or worse since the pandemic?
Research into horizontal violence in Nursing has been conducted since the 1980s.
All the indicators are that it is getting worse, not better.
I got a lot out of that conversation ladies. Currently in the midst of a massive legal case with cluster B personality disorders x 4! They extremely nasty and as you say we have to work on this from the top down because that’s where legislation starts.
I’m sorry to hear that- wish you the best!
Just out… New York Declaration for Men and Boys
Thank you, Dr Spier and Dr. Gress. Your observations about Jewish women and feminism are right on target. I see women rabbis on various websites post that they are primarily, if not exclusively, concerned with women, but are indifferent to the welfare of men. I would think that their one-sided concern is a violation of their professional ethics as rabbis, but so far, nobody has held them to account for that.
Female rabbis are an oxymoron! I hate that we started entertaining that even in modern orthodoxy! There’s a reason more people flock to the more religious communities, we want to fill the void not fragment further.
Thank you both, I learned a great deal from this, so much of it makes sense. Working in an (overwhelmingly) female profession, I have a much better insight into situations I see on a daily basis.
Thank you Simon - where do you work?
I’m a social worker/counsellor. About 27 yrs now. I currently work as a men’s DAFV counsellor. First 20 years was spent investigating and assessing Child Protection. 10 yrs in England then 10 in Australia. Never worked anywhere with less than ten female workers to every one male. It’s been emotional 😅
I didn't read this before I wrote a briefing and inquisitive post this morning. I think you have a lot of insight on these issues.
https://jmpolemic.substack.com/p/feminism-as-entitlement-pt-4
I'm going to peruse your back catalog now.
You are very welcome here!
"Women have been long known to be more spiritually and religiously engaged. It is only recently where data shows that that men’s faith is outstripping that of women. But yes, historically, women are more likely to gravitate to faith."
I think this is quite false. Leon Podles and others have shown that the reverse is likely true. The model for faith is more Abraham than Sarah. Only since the late middle ages, often under the influence of the courtly tradition, have women been regarded as "naturally spiritual". Feminized Christianity is a development, not the norm. Today, Eastern Orthodoxy is much more masculine in its appeal than Western, Roman Catholicism. Some outrageous things about female spiritual superiority have been penned by Alice von Hildebrand and Gertrude von Le Fort. It seems to be something that Catholics accept because of an elision by these writers of the person of Mary with EVERY woman and mother. Shakespeare knew better. Regen and Goneril are just as feminine as every other woman. Yes, many women are leaving religion these days. Many men are staying. You wouldn't say that a woman is leaving the Church because she is being less feminine, just less faithful. Nobody gets faith by default; it is hard won.
There is a lot to unpack here. I will make one or two comments only. Re the AB and C clusters. I have an alternative health practice. In which I focus on personality traits that feed disease, and ones that feed health. I have successfully treated A and C types to the point where one could say a cure has been effected. Bs? No. But as you point out a Non Neurotic male partner ameliorates their behaviour and unhappiness quite a bit. I am not sure I have ever seen a fundamental change in any true Bs though. Male or female. The non neurotic male pays a big price too. I am not saying they are incurable. But I can’t help them.
This is such an insightful conversation that I've been keeping it open in a tab on my browser and rereading it every few days. Lots to think about, ladies, thank you for all the insights.
I’m so pleased to hear that, thank you Joy!
Biblically, humans were made to worship and as we see cross culturally, transhistorically we can worship many vastly different things.
Also, starting with Eves' behavior, wanting to BE a god, women are more easily deceived by demons, satan than men are. The satanists then tell women they are "more spiritual" when in fact, women, generally, are more incompetent when it comes to supernatural warfare ; women need a father or husband or spiritual male head of the house to protect her.
I know the feminists will get offended yet this is what the past 2000 years of scripture of the Holy Bible tells us and created the modern Western world that the left is rapidly destroying. Hate the past 2000 years of progress all you want yet the past 50 of the left destroying the West proves my point.
"When women don’t have an ordered relationship with God, they will find surrogates, they will seek out, however unwittingly, something to fill it."
This quote if facinating to me because I recently investigated the ancient archetype of feminine as 'chaos' and masculine as 'order.' When paired together they create an antifragile relationship.
However, without that oder, you're left with women trying to order themselves and you get the cluster B. Makes me wonder if the cure for the cluster B disorders is... Order?
Here's what we found on chaos and order: https://www.polymathicbeing.com/p/chaos-and-order
It all goes back to the Garden - Satan convincing Eve to put herself before God, while also throwing off the headship of Adam. She did not consult her husband until AFTER she had eaten, then she convinced him to rebel also. And where was Adam when Eve was tempted? Absconding his duty to lead and protect his wife. Every evil thing that has beset relations between the sexes goes straight to the heart of this dynamic. The ache and terror of taking headship follows women ruthlessly - but the cure; submitting to God and a husband; is too bitter a pill for a headstrong, ego driven "modern" woman to swallow. Men have also abandoned their God ordained place in marriage, allowing women to take control. Until men and women get the headship thing right - submit to Jesus, follow God's design for marriage - she will be an angry, shrill, insecure and discontent nightmare and he will be a withdrawn, defeated and sullen shadow. I have been there - did my 180° - have the scars to prove it. However, I am now content in a loving, properly oriented marriage, trusting God that my obedience will be rewarded; something few women I know can claim.
Conclusion - same story, different take. The only way out is to kill the ego, submit to Jesus or be left with hell on Earth. The alternative is Satan taking whatever destruction your personal egotistical bent opens him to and then using it to drive you; and everyone around you; to utter desolation and misery.
You and Carrie Gress want women — except YOU of course — should be weak, ignorant cowards. All women but YOU will be sold as domestic slaves to me who can beat us for giving a cross look. Just say you think the Taliban is right ànd then SHUT UP. You think women should be silent doormats so set an example yourself.
So many men loving this misogynistic and silly content. Shame on you mean girls trying to win the favor of men by bashing other women. Just yuck. Seems like it was written by a narcissistic team with some serious level smear campaigns going on. You won’t be winning many younger women over with this old lady head shaking. Sorry but just no.
What do you take issue with in particular?
Tell me you have BPD without telling me...
Projecting much?
I feel it is as old as Adam and Eve really